Big Kit and Venmo Joe are finally back after a month-long hiatus, and they’ve got plenty to catch up on. Scott recounts his No Strokes Cup comeback at Erin Hills, going four down before ripping off four birdies on the back nine to win the match and help Team Venmo Joe bring home the trophy. Then the guys break down the Presidents Cup, from the USA’s Sunday comeback and Justin Thomas mentoring Jackson Koivun to Chris Gotterup becoming an unlikely hero, Si Woo Kim’s collapse, Cantlay’s 60-footer, and why the Americans need to solve their foursomes problem before the Ryder Cup. Finally, the boys preview the Bank of Utah Championship and Big Kit gets irrationally high on Ben James. Follow us @NoStrokesPodcast, @kitun, and @venmojoe.
Big Kit (00:01)
Yo, Benmo Joe, what's up? I har
Venmo Joe (00:03)
Big Kitty, miss you buddy.
Big Kit (00:05)
I hardly recognize you.
Venmo Joe (00:07)
we're back, man. You know, we needed we needed to take a couple of weeks to celebrate our Ryder Cup win back at Aaron Hills, which we'll get into.
Big Kit (00:16)
I was gonna comment there is only one thing different about you since I last saw you, and it's a beautiful trophy over your right hand corner.
Venmo Joe (00:24)
Look at that. Yeah, no stroke are sponsored by Big Kit himself, No Strokes Cup champion. Big Kit was was the number one guy on the team and brought this home for for team Benmo Joe. Good job, Big Kitty.
Big Kit (00:40)
good job, Captain
Big Kit (00:41)
Joe. like any trip, I'm such a self- you know, f first off, I'm an only child, if you can't tell. super evident.
Venmo Joe (00:48)
Huh.
Big Kit (00:49)
I don't buy or contribute gifts to any trips that I don't fucking intend on winning. Like I don't ever bring like package gifts for people that I intend to actually let them keep. Like that was never, that was never on the plan. Anything, anything brought was
Venmo Joe (00:58)
Mm-hmm. That w yeah, that that that was never
Big Kit (01:03)
to coming home with us.
Venmo Joe (01:04)
Well, we're we're we're gonna have to share the trophy so you can get this in your office for a little bit of time. We're gonna do like the Stanley Cup where everyone gets everyone every one of Venmo Joe's teammates is gonna get the trophy for for a period of time. But I think it's gotta start in Glenn Allen.
Big Kit (01:22)
Go right here. you know what we'll do? Actually, it might end in Glenn Allen because I gotta get from you and Mike all the past winners. We're gonna put them all the all the names on the side of it. So we'll we'll end it here.
Venmo Joe (01:32)
I love that.
Big Kit (01:33)
We'll clean it up for our next trip so we can put our name again, which will be fun. you mentioned that
Venmo Joe (01:36)
Fa fantastic. Well wait
Big Kit (01:39)
we've been on a little break. I wanna just clear the air with people. You know, first off, there's a couple a couple tournaments that there just weren't tournaments, which is a nice break. The wives appreciate when when our entire lives don't completely
Big Kit (01:52)
re revolve around golf. I have a company that I'm involved, I guess I'm involved and invested in and helped build it. We were sharing our riverside, so all the golf shows were recorded on there. Me like a fucking idiot still use my like a personal account that then when I sold the company they had, but it was still my name, and I gave it to my executive producer to to use for theirs. And then he left the company and he texted me, he's like, hey man, you've probably got change the name over. So we get lost in the middle of this.
Big Kit (02:21)
And and then there's a guy who works there who I'm I'm sure he's a swell fella. but for like 10 days I'm trying to communicate with him, like, can I just log in to my riverside to record
Venmo Joe (02:30)
The absolute ghosting.
Big Kit (02:32)
her fucking show? And he's like, I don't know. We gotta talk to s whatever. And so like it goes around and around and around. And we could have recorded on Zoom. It's 2026. Like, I know how to use digital tools. I just don't wanna have to rebuild all this shit and like
Big Kit (02:46)
This is if there's ever been a a time where AI has made us the most laziest people in civilization's history, once you get a taste of not having to do any fucking work ever.
Big Kit (02:59)
You can't go back. And and this, like,
Venmo Joe (03:01)
Ha ha.
Big Kit (03:01)
Riverside has implemented AI editing tools, clipping tools, branding tools. Literally everything you see on this show has been done by a fucking machine in nine seconds. There's no labor whatsoever involved, which is probably why it's not the greatest quality. Sorry about that. but once I get there, fuck yeah,
Venmo Joe (03:15)
Greatest content though, it's the greatest content.
Big Kit (03:17)
it is best golf content for sure. so anyway, long story short, we took a little break, but we we didn't just take a break. We we brought home some stories. Joe was the captain of
Big Kit (03:28)
of the annual Ryder Cup, which he just mentioned, which took place part of it, the end of it finale at Aaron Hills. And I had a little I I went off a little bit on that on that tournament. And that was the beginning of of like four weeks of golf for me. So it's been great.
Venmo Joe (03:41)
Yeah. Well I I'll I'll I'll I'll I will
Venmo Joe (03:45)
I will toot your horn, right? So front nine of Aaron Hills, I I dragged Scott down with me because I forgot how to hit a golf ball for like four holes. did did somehow like piece together a swing, that last like thirteen, fourteen holes. But I was I was I was
Big Kit (04:02)
Don't sell yourself short. You got it together. You got it together.
Venmo Joe (04:05)
I was dragging Scott down. So you know Scott gets down in his match.
Venmo Joe (04:10)
Scott's going against the the best player on the other team, I think. What are you a six handicap, Scott?
Big Kit (04:16)
at that time, yes, I'm now down to a four point three. Ever since Aaron Hills, I have not shot above eighty since Aaron Hills, by the way.
Venmo Joe (04:19)
Yeah, well yeah Yeah. Yeah, I was gonna say
Venmo Joe (04:24)
I our audience will will soon know why your your handicap is is gone down. So I think you're only getting two strokes, so it's like kinda mono emono. you're hitting the ball really well in the front nine. You're just you could not putt. You were a little bit of Corey Connors yesterday, maybe, like you were missing in that three to five foot range, which like I know we joke about your putting a lot on the show, but you are a good putter. So that was
Venmo Joe (04:49)
That was unusual to see. And whatever where I gotta give you credit, man, I think you go down four after ten. And like, I think I'm I'm four down two, and I'm like, dude, Scott, this let's just drink and have fun. And you're like, fuck it, I'm not done. And you then went and played those last eight holes.
Big Kit (05:07)
Did one of those little w
Venmo Joe (05:09)
what were you the last eight holes? Three under? Four under? I know you had four birdies.
Big Kit (05:12)
Yeah. yeah,
Big Kit (05:14)
I was I mean it was three, four under total I shot like three under on the back.
Venmo Joe (05:17)
I mean it was it
Venmo Joe (05:18)
was phenomenal. you brought it all the way to eighteen, all square, you take eighteen. It was just a an unbeliev I think if if we were playing the prediction market after hole ten, I don't even know if your contracts are on the board. And you you you
Big Kit (05:35)
Ninety seven percent loss.
Venmo Joe (05:37)
just you just turned it on, you made I wanna say two hundred and fifty foot of putts those last eight holes, just
Big Kit (05:45)
yeah.
Venmo Joe (05:46)
showed up in a big big way. It was really fun to watch. It made me forget about my terrible golf game for a couple of hours, which was fantastic. the caddy at the end of the round says that would like relative to what Big Kit's handicap was, that was the best back nine he has ever seen at Aaron Hills. So just to give all the listeners some context into what Big Kit did, it was it was so fun to watch. Just kind of like strategically looking
Venmo Joe (06:15)
Like how you were looking at shots, how you were engag we had an unbelievable caddy, like that guy
Big Kit (06:21)
Yeah, he was good.
Venmo Joe (06:22)
that guy saved me. I know he he kinda got you back on the rails after ten two. He was a guy that you could strata you could that was a guy you could strategize with and yeah, you just thought you
Big Kit (06:33)
But did you did
Big Kit (06:34)
you start Joe? He started off the round by telling me he's got his fantasy draft going on in real time while he's walking. And I was like, this is gonna be
Venmo Joe (06:39)
That was insane. That was ins I I thought you
Venmo Joe (06:42)
could I thought you guys were just like randomly talking about like
Big Kit (06:45)
No.
Venmo Joe (06:46)
players. I'm like, what are you guys t and then like fu what was that guy fuck, I forgot his name. Riley, thank you.
Big Kit (06:50)
Riley. Riley.
Venmo Joe (06:52)
Riley. I'm like, Riley, what are you doing? I a fantasy rap going on right now. I'm like, Alright man, you pick the two right guys to be caddying for because we do not give a shit.
Big Kit (06:58)
This is right. I was like,
Big Kit (07:02)
that is not not what you want out of your caddy at Aaron Hills. Except he asked me, he was like, hey, I mean, I'll just skip an auto draft. I was like, no, no, I'll help you out. He has Jamar Gibbs, by the way. So he had a great day yesterday. I gave him my I helped him draft a team. He's like, I don't know shit about these guys. So I was like, all right, so I helped him draft. First three or four holes, it is what it is. And like, you know, the Jeremy the playing guy who will come on the show sometime and talk about our broken golfers.
Big Kit (07:27)
But he, you know, basically was playing pretty well. I teed the ball off well. I'm playing well. Like I was not missing shit. As you mentioned, the putty was off. He just went like up one, then up two, then up three, and then we tied a hole, and then up four. And was like, fuck, this is like already over. And you were talking about strategy. Like I talked to Riley in Rewalk and he's like, dude, you're hitting the ball while you're just chasing. Like now you're just pressing and trying to be, you know, like you're playing against him and whatever. He's like, you gotta just play. I was like, all right, we'll see what happens. Just like try to get control of it.
Big Kit (07:56)
Start making a couple pars. We get to the turn. I was down three at the turn. And I was like, okay, like probably fucked. But like maybe I win a hole, turn around and and blow a putt and lose, lose 10. Now I'm down four.
Venmo Joe (08:07)
Lose ten. Lose ten. Yeah.
Big Kit (08:10)
I look at you and I was like, I'm looking at the scorecard and I'm like, the way the par fives and par threes are, and Jeremy is basically, I heard him say, I'm just gonna, if I just par out, I win. I was like,
Big Kit (08:21)
Usually as a pompous golfer, you say this kind of stuff, but you never deliver. This has never actually happened where I say it and then delivered, but it I actually delivered on this. Was like
Venmo Joe (08:28)
You did.
Big Kit (08:30)
if this guy's gonna this is like the tit tin cup line. If you're gonna make pars all day, you're fucking taking second today. And I just felt like if I could I just something clicked on the putting, I was like, I think I get it. And then I looked at the scorecard and it was just weird. There was just a couple of holes where it's like, if he's just gonna hit long irons off the T and I'm driving the ball 325 yards.
Big Kit (08:50)
I get like eagle looks at and up and a couple, like a one of the part fours. Like I got a bunch, there's a couple
Venmo Joe (08:56)
Yeah.
Big Kit (08:56)
holes that could go nuts here. So I told you, I gotta win like 12 through 15 to have any fucking look at this. Didn't expect to go birdie birdie birdie to do it. And then another one. And then he's I mean, he looked like he got punched fucking left-wise in Sundays. Like, no idea. The grassy knoll took a shot, the tower took a shot, he doesn't know where he's going. And then like I
Big Kit (09:19)
I had a chance and I blew that birdie putt on whatever 17, get on 18, and it's like win, win or go home. And I could kind of tell he was like done. He pulls the iron off the T and ends up just short of the trap. I'm off to the right and I'm like, fuck, did I just blow this? And I hit just the crispest shit ever out of that kakulia, the f the the whatever you call it, the what's the the fescue. And I hear this thud.
Big Kit (09:46)
And the whip of like a club, and I was like, shit. It's a match. It's a match. And he picked it up at the N eighteen and it was just one of the greatest comebacks I've I've ever had in my life and will ever have. Fucking legendary. And had you right there. That's the best part.
Venmo Joe (09:58)
that was that was absurd. It was it was such a it was such a it
Venmo Joe (10:04)
was such a great way to to end the Ryder Cup, like get and like on a like we for the listeners, I think we went into Saturday up six two. So there wasn't like basically my buddy Mike, his team, they needed to do what the USA did yesterday and
Venmo Joe (10:22)
you know, we were the first match that went out and you know, I'm dead to rights and you look dead to rights and I'm like, fuck, well now it's six four. Like that point that you were able to to get there really kind of solidified it for us, right? 'Cause then at that point going off of the first match being done, we're up seven three, we need to win another point and a half to take it home and and we did it, had a unbeliev like
Venmo Joe (10:48)
Being able to celebrate a rider cup at Aaron Hills
Big Kit (10:50)
yeah.
Venmo Joe (10:51)
too. Like in listen, yeah, we we didn't get the best of weather that day. Like we had some rain,
Big Kit (10:56)
You know, it worked
Big Kit (10:57)
out perfectly for Aaron Hills though. To me, I mean that's like the perfect weather.
Venmo Joe (11:00)
a thousand a
Venmo Joe (11:00)
thousand percent. It didn't like pour on us. It like it made it. You really needed to
Big Kit (11:04)
Just enough, just a smidge.
Venmo Joe (11:05)
you needed to dial in your game just that much more and then getting done and just you know, again, we were the first group, so we're hanging out on the on the deck and we've got the the awning above us and we're just, you know, having drinks. You've got the s you got the victory cigar. I don't think I've ever seen you happier in your life. Like you were just you were
Big Kit (11:23)
No, it was it was peak.
Venmo Joe (11:24)
on you were on fucking Cloud Nine
Venmo Joe (11:27)
and we're watching the rest of the groups come in and we just we just had a blast and just got to hang out with the whole crew. I mean it was a unbelievable weekend. Shout out to to Mike Wilson, my co commissioner who hosted everything and did a lot of the planning with me and yeah, it was it couldn't have worked out any better. And I'm I am glad that I got that front row seat to that back nine 'cause I I have shared that story with with a lot of people and it's it it's been pretty fantastic to
Venmo Joe (11:57)
to kind of relive those moments because it was like I mean I felt like I was inside the ropes. Like you and Jeremy were just a fucking
Big Kit (12:02)
It was fucked up.
Venmo Joe (12:03)
you guys were a fucking heavyweight because I would s he did not give you that match. You I was gonna say he did he I'm saying he did not he did not give you that match. You went
Big Kit (12:06)
By the way, he shot like even par on the back. It wasn't he shot like a thirty eight on the back. It wasn't like
Venmo Joe (12:13)
and took it. You went and took it in you know if you're not if you're not making birdies there you're not winning. And you made you made fucking four birdies. Yeah
Big Kit (12:20)
I was Aaron Rye. I was Aaron Rye. I had my gloves on. I was ready to fucking claw
Big Kit (12:24)
back. I was taking it down. well, you know what? It's set up for it it it was such a big weekend for us. It took us a month to get back here. So that's that's how good it was. Played a bunch of golf since then.
Venmo Joe (12:34)
Well you've had a lot
Venmo Joe (12:35)
of you've had a lot of golf since then. I got to play in your to I got to play Glen Oak, which was awesome, but you tell I mean nothing in comparison to what you've gotten to play. So, you know, let's I'd love to I'd love to hear about
Big Kit (12:45)
No, I it there's
Venmo Joe (12:47)
I'd love to hear about your spots.
Big Kit (12:50)
There's no there's no story. It it just it we Medina is Medina. That's a great place. There obviously three was ready. The the highlight of Medina was just I ran into JT a couple times, got to kind of ride along him on a on a par four when he was he was he was there two weeks ago on Monday playing, and then went to got to play Chicago the same week and then came back and played Medina later on that day. So I went to Chicago, Medina, Chicago, Medina on a couple day stretch.
Venmo Joe (13:15)
I didn't know you
Venmo Joe (13:15)
played Medina twice.
Big Kit (13:17)
Yeah, we played the front nine
Big Kit (13:19)
of two. A after we were done with Chicago, we went we had lunch. We came Chicago's a place you're not really permitted to drink really. So like when you're done, you're done.
Venmo Joe (13:26)
Yeah, yeah.
Big Kit (13:28)
and so went to Medina with one of the guys that that I we I played there with, who's a Medina member. He's like, Yeah, let's go have drinks at Medina. I like, all cool. Get get some food. He's Yeah, fuck it, let's hop a cart. So we ended up just playing another nine before we were toasty. And then just spent the night drinking in the pub there on the second floor or whatever.
Big Kit (13:47)
It was like, I mean, there was there's so many stories. Like the one dude, these first up, my buddy Tim is incredible host. Shout out to Tim, but this the degenerates are just fucking everywhere. I saw stuff that I can't even say on the show because somebody will listen and be like, You can't come back here. so I'll just leave it at that. But
Venmo Joe (14:06)
Is there is
Venmo Joe (14:07)
there cabins on Medina like did you stay at Medina or you went home that night? Gotta gotta I didn't know if they I didn't know if they had any like play and stays there.
Big Kit (14:11)
No, no, I went home. Yeah, just hopped in the hopped in the Uber. They they have accommodations.
Big Kit (14:18)
Yeah, they have accompany I mean, does Chicago by the way. Like the incredible course. I had a couple of buddies who said to me before, like, I don't know, you know, whatever. It's cool because it's old, you know. That fucking course, we didn't even play the tips, and I I think, you know, probably wouldn't have wanted us to, but that it took me about seven holes to figure out that whole thing. I shot even part in the back there.
Big Kit (14:40)
Also, so I've I've been
Venmo Joe (14:41)
Unbelievable.
Big Kit (14:42)
on I've been on a run, but I think I shot forty four on the front or forty two or something like that. It literally took eight holes to figure out the the kind of the green like
Venmo Joe (14:52)
Was it like the was
Venmo Joe (14:53)
it the greens that were giving you trouble or like what
Big Kit (14:56)
Yeah, they're so they're all like the volcano thing where it's like you got the the like dip in and then you're
Venmo Joe (14:59)
yeah, got it.
Big Kit (15:00)
going straight up, but then you can land a shot five feet, and I can spin the ball, like land it five feet from the pin. It looks like it's stopped, it is stopped. You're like, hey man, great shot, and you turn back, and it's like one little roll at a time. And before you know it, I shit, you know, you're 36 yards off the front of the back in a fucking bunker. And I saw a a very good golfer hit a shot, no shit, five feet. I was like, God damn, he hit it from like a hundred and
Big Kit (15:26)
75 yard par 380 yards, sticks it, and it just sort of rolled rolled by the time he was leaving. The ball was off the green in a trap. He's sitting out of the trap, top of the green, rolls back. Now it's not in the trap. Now he's flopping it on. Like you can turn a
Venmo Joe (15:39)
my god.
Big Kit (15:40)
what is like a par into a triple bogey like that.
Venmo Joe (15:42)
Yeah.
Big Kit (15:43)
The greens are like non when you know they're obviously not set up for pros right now, but they're like a 12, like on their own.
Venmo Joe (15:51)
Wow.
Big Kit (15:52)
and but like the
Big Kit (15:54)
The fairways, the fescue, the greens themselves, the bunkers are maybe a 10.1 out of 10. Like what I can only imagine, Augusta. Like I played Butler. Butler, I think, is a tougher course overall. But like Chicago, you walk in this locker room and it's like the original shit. The clubhouse is like it's a fucking shop, like a little shack. The halfway house is a serve yourself with a pisser.
Big Kit (16:22)
And like basically some refrigerators and you just write your shit on a chalkboard. there's no frills, there's no phones, they take that seriously, there's no posting stuff. you walk in, you're just you're just gonna walk this course for three, four hours, whatever, three and a half hours. There's nobody out there, and you're just it's like an unbelievable experience.
Venmo Joe (16:36)
Yeah. I was gonna say did you did did you
Venmo Joe (16:39)
have a caddy or no caddies available because summer was over? Nice.
Big Kit (16:42)
no, we had caddies. Nope. They still
Big Kit (16:44)
had caddies. Really good dude. and in in general, they just take really good care of you, but like in a hands-off, you know, you're here to golf and you're here to like enjoy the kinship of golf and the history. And they they really design the course to the point where whenever they find a brand new photograph surface, they will try to make sure that that gets played in. They've made almost no changes to this golf course in 30 something years.
Big Kit (17:10)
Tree goes down, they'll try to wait and replace it. So again, it looks like the picture. So like if you are ever fortunate enough to get an opportunity invitation to play Chicago, I don't care what it costs you, you should take it. It was a round of golf, like regardless of how you play. So we're a round of golf, we're just like, I don't remember the last time I felt like I like I said, only Augusta could compare to that. And Medina's the coolest experience, right? But this is different, very different.
Venmo Joe (17:32)
Like that like that yeah. Yeah. Like
Venmo Joe (17:35)
that connected to just the game and the court. 'Cause there's no distraction, like you said, right? There's no drinking, there's no phone, it's like it's you and
Big Kit (17:43)
I mean, you can have a drink
Big Kit (17:44)
on the course. It's just not like it's not part of the culture. I will tell you, this is to give you an example of how not not technical or not connected to tech. The caddies and yourself, there are no range finders allowed. So they all
Venmo Joe (17:58)
Wow.
Big Kit (17:58)
walk it off a book. So when you're walking with your caddy or you're doing your own thing, they have like
Venmo Joe (18:01)
That's pretty that's that's pretty cool. That's pretty cool.
Big Kit (18:04)
sprinkler markers in different places, and they've got kind of slope undulation and and kind of little little triggers and markers. And so like as a shot player.
Big Kit (18:13)
You're walking up and like, okay, you know, I'm 132. Then you'll kinda walk off towards the green. Now you have to walk up every single green before you hit, maybe even a hundred yards out, to see down. Otherwise, you don't know what the fuck you're hitting into. And like you gotta walk around the back. It's like it it takes longer than it you would think given how little the play is, but it's cause you you know, I'm sure if you've played a million times, you don't have to do this. But for me, I don't know what I'm doing. So it was, it was just, man, I don't know how like it was like a craftsman's.
Big Kit (18:42)
Game, you know, like
Venmo Joe (18:43)
Yeah.
Big Kit (18:44)
y I'm you know, I'm using like I was talking about my putters and wedges, like I'm using these like Japanese forge wedges. I felt like holy fuck, I could feel the dirt, like the sand is so clean. my god. Huh. I just had a golf orgasm, Joe. Sorry about that.
Venmo Joe (18:56)
That's awesome.
Venmo Joe (18:59)
I love it, man. You could tell
Big Kit (19:01)
boy.
Venmo Joe (19:02)
you're you're just passionate about it and like I I have not heard of many people getting to play Chicago. So like the fact that you got to do that and just hearing the experience of it, sounds amazing. So awesome.
Big Kit (19:15)
It was great.
Big Kit (19:16)
It was great. So anyway, that's that's where you know where we've all been. We've been playing golf and winning some money, had some luck. I sobered up ish yesterday around like nine o'clock at night. And
Venmo Joe (19:27)
Ha ha ha.
Big Kit (19:28)
and I see this little notification from Robinhood come in, and it's like, You won a hundred dollars on your Matt Fitzpatrick win pick. And I was like, What pick? Matt Fat Fit Fitzpatrick wasn't playing in the president's cup. What the fuck are we talking about? And then literally I go look, I was like, my god, Tuesday, like at some point I was like, you know what, Fitzy, he looks good today.
Big Kit (19:47)
And I picked him to win in the wherever, I don't even know where the open was at. France? I have no idea. Picked him to win. He won. Well, he won.
Venmo Joe (19:54)
France Open. Yeah. Hell yeah.
Venmo Joe (20:00)
Although I I have to admit I did not pay much attention to that with the President's Cup this week, but yeah I
Venmo Joe (20:04)
A sweat-free bat and you didn't even know you had the bat, so that's a sweat free.
Big Kit (20:07)
I had no idea. I
Big Kit (20:07)
it wasn't you know, w I I would have could have a hundred bucks I probably wagered like ten dollars. Like I have no idea, you know, it couldn't have been couldn't have been a lot, but either way it was it was a nice to have at the end of it and President's Cup in general was just what a blast.
Venmo Joe (20:21)
with the President's Cup. Yeah, so Saturday President's Cup, we needed big kid energy right after getting swept on Friday, which was I mean, that's a that's a theme now. That's two Fridays in a row at President's Cup that we've gotten swept. which is pretty absurd to to ever get swept in a session against the internationals. But like I think Saturday
Venmo Joe (20:43)
Saturday was an exciting day, but it didn't it wasn't like the Inter I think a lot of people anticipated the internationals just laying down and getting rolled over on on Saturday and that was not the case, right? I mean, like I think each session the two sessions were pretty close and the internationals like I mean they still held a a three point lead going into Sunday. What were the vibes on I on the grounds to start the day and you know?
Venmo Joe (21:11)
Give us give us kind of the the big kid experience from Saturday.
Big Kit (21:14)
It was awesome.
Big Kit (21:15)
you know, I I don't think it's like the most packed event. I think we can talk a little bit about the President's Cup in general. I definitely have thoughts on the the losing Friday, expectations Saturday. My experience, same, you know, I got tickets with the same one of the same buddy who played Medina with and played Chicago with Tim. he was an incredible host as always. Same degenerates out there. One of those guys was trailing Siwoo Kim. And
Big Kit (21:44)
He was holding the, you know, the letterboard or whatever. And so we got, you know, I had club, club champion tickets. He had international club tickets. So we pretty much had like seven holes on lockdown with drinks flowing and parked on, you know, 16 green
Venmo Joe (21:59)
Yeah.
Big Kit (21:59)
and then kind of walk 17, 18, and then would kind of circle back, walk, sit down on 16, walk 17, 18. I played as I think I've showed you a bunch of times, my Min Wu Min Wu deal.
Big Kit (22:11)
At AD ADP. I got to actually see and stand next to him for a couple minutes and like he like I'm not gonna say he remembered me, recognized me, but he definitely knew he was like shit, I there's something there because he kept looking back at me. And then finally he was like kind of just like he like head nodded with me and then like then he went and teed off and then he snap hooked it left because I'm still in his head from ADP at Rich Harvest when I beat him in a hole. And No, he I'm not joking. He legit like he he like he kinda did a thing like he should know me or something.
Big Kit (22:40)
And I, you know, like whatever we spent not three holes. It was only three holes. Yeah, I got I got Homa for a hole. We got Cantley on the greens
Venmo Joe (22:43)
How long did you get to how long did you guys get to play Richard three holes, yeah. Was that when you got to play with Homa too? Was that the same yeah?
Big Kit (22:52)
of three. And I got to play three with Min because he just kind of circled with us. I don't even know if it was planned. The Min would never remember that. Like he could give a shit less. I think what he remembered would be that he lost, as he put it, to a fucking normie.
Big Kit (23:08)
And lost a hole and had to give me a ball. And that's what probably maybe he I don't know if that clicked in his head in Chicago again. whatever. It was just a familiar look. And I was like shocked by it. And then he when he turned around and taped the hat, I was like, shit, he this somehow, you know, put face something. He remembered something either way. Got in his head, snap hooked it, and that was the end of it for the
Venmo Joe (23:26)
Nice.
Big Kit (23:27)
internationals. No, I'm just kidding. I wish. so we
Venmo Joe (23:31)
Ha ha
Big Kit (23:31)
we walked along. There was a couple, you know, I feel like the the energy was like
Big Kit (23:37)
Finance bro guys that don't know golf, yelling dumb stuff, as you saw happen again yesterday, unfortunately. But the
Venmo Joe (23:43)
Sure.
Big Kit (23:43)
general feeling I felt was like, shit, are we gonna lose? That's what the vibe felt like in the crowd. There was a lot of people like having fun, having food, having drinks, and then kind of feeling like, man, I don't know how this is gonna end. It did it just it did not, it would everyone was very good. Madonna was an incredible host. But I feel like the Friday thing and or in Saturday morning flipping in the afternoon.
Big Kit (24:08)
They just the fan base was really a little bit shook and you know, from my vantage point, everything gets a little blurry after like 132 my my ability to track is.
Venmo Joe (24:22)
Were you gu were you guys there for were you guys there for morning and afternoon?
Big Kit (24:25)
the latter part of the morning
Big Kit (24:26)
we were there. We had to drop the kids off in the morning and so it was like kinda hard and I was out we were out watching the Northwestern game the night before that and and whatever. So like got there a little later.
Venmo Joe (24:36)
No, that's that's the IU game. That's not the Northwestern game, that's the IU game.
Big Kit (24:39)
I mean you guys almost
Big Kit (24:41)
gave it back, so it was about to be the northwestern game. It's for some of us it's northwestern.
Venmo Joe (24:44)
Yeah, almost.
Venmo Joe (24:46)
Hey, we're y y you know what I love now? We're IU is the program now where like other other programs like hold themselves too where it's like the the I I was seeing Northwestern fans just happy that you know
Big Kit (24:56)
About to change Venmo Joe's name slate here into fucking Homer.
Big Kit (25:02)
No, I I I get it. You should.
Venmo Joe (25:04)
your boy
Venmo Joe (25:05)
I I mean I saw your boy Darren Ravel like patting himself on the back. It's like dude you guys I mean, hey, you guys play great, but
Big Kit (25:09)
Yeah. Yeah.
Venmo Joe (25:11)
you still lost, right? I mean I was impressed by by Northwestern, but anyway, right
Big Kit (25:15)
Your your your running back got hurt. It was whatever.
Big Kit (25:17)
It Northwestern plays good against teams like that. We already know that that's the big games they actually play in and it's the other ones they piss away. Otherwise they'd be good. Either way, it was a lot of fun. It was a little later than I wanted to get there, but we just had some shit to do. once we got there though, you know, there just wasn't as many people as you'd expect, maybe, or maybe because it's presidents, I'd expected more. It was less, but it it
Venmo Joe (25:42)
Yeah.
Big Kit (25:42)
created incredible access.
Big Kit (25:44)
Like I was standing all over the place. And as I
Venmo Joe (25:47)
Yeah.
Big Kit (25:47)
said, one of the degenerate friends of ours was walking behind Siwoo. And at one point at the end of the day on Saturday, I I was like pissed on my leg. I was losing it. And I was like, dude, I gotta find a bathroom. And it's like this far to this one and this far to that one. And he's like, one of the guys there, he's like, okay, you can like use the player only bathroom right there. And I was like, that's crazy. He's like, it shouldn't be like 15 minutes before these guys get here. He's like, real quick, go. I was like, all fuck.
Big Kit (26:14)
So I hop into this like little mahogany porta potty. It looked like a thing of work of art. I take a piss and I walk out and I turn around and see who Kim is like bullets flying and he turns and walks back. And I I I walk back, I'm like half shit faced. I'm like kind of staggering. I was like,
Big Kit (26:34)
This dude had a pile of cigarettes like he was on a stakeout. Like he must have been too I don't I don't know what was going on.
Venmo Joe (26:43)
Well yeah, 'cause they like I I always wonder that 'cause they obviously they never show
Big Kit (26:46)
Yeah.
Venmo Joe (26:47)
it on the broadcast. So is it like he's talking to the T V producers and they're like, Hey, here's your time to go fucking smoke like is he planning that out with like
Big Kit (26:53)
I'm yeah, I'm I'm sure the PGA at this point is yeah.
Venmo Joe (26:58)
it's just crazy 'cause I don't think how many guy like he's gotta be one of the only guys that is smoking darts. Like
Big Kit (27:02)
I think I think South Koreans in general
Big Kit (27:05)
are kind of known on that, like on the golfers. I don't mean South Koreans in general, though maybe I don't, I'm not you know, I don't know what the the tobacco sales look like for Philip Morris, but I would say disproportionately the international team smokes, would be my guess. I don't know. It was it was a lot of fun. And
Venmo Joe (27:22)
Interesting.
Big Kit (27:23)
it was one of those things where like I have buddies who say they don't like going to golf tournaments. I think that's fucking crazy.
Big Kit (27:30)
Like they have massive screens. You have a phone as long as you're not an asshole and you turn the volume off, you can watch. You can gamble. You see the score. You go back to back between tents and get shit faced. And then you get minutes to watch the greatest golf swing of all time
Venmo Joe (27:44)
Yeah, no, it's fine.
Big Kit (27:46)
right in front of you. Like feet in front of you. You get to see the it's incredible.
Venmo Joe (27:49)
Duh yeah, the thousand percent. Thousand percent. I I definitely regret not going. Especially yesterday. Yester I mean both Saturday and yesterday, just like picturesque days. and like I'm with you. It didn't you know, I know Wyndham came out on Thursday and was like, Hey, we were expecting a little bit more from the crowd. It just it didn't look as packed, but that's kinda awesome because there isn't a ton of golf to go consume and watch. Like you're not at a regular tournament where there's
Venmo Joe (28:19)
you know, the first two days a hundred some guys competing and then the weekend seventy guys competing. Like you've got four to five matches going on at any given time. So not a ton of golf, but to your point, you pick the right spots. you're gonna be like on the T-box seeing some of the best players in the world hit a frickin' driver, right? Or like approach into a green or, you know, whatever they're whatever magic they're doing around the green when they're chipping. It's just like
Venmo Joe (28:49)
You can't replicate that on TV or anywhere else. So I'm glad you got to go. I'm glad that they you know, they had the historic comeback yesterday. That like it was historic, but it also felt like
Big Kit (29:00)
Yeah, I want to talk about this.
Venmo Joe (29:01)
it like it just it it just kinda felt inevitable. Like I I you you saw it with the the the gambling books, right? Like the USA was like a slight underdog. Yeah,
Big Kit (29:09)
Yeah. There was always like fifty four percent, forty eight, fifty four. It was never
Venmo Joe (29:14)
like I think everywhere I think the markets kind of
Venmo Joe (29:18)
assumed what what we did and even you know even Brent Snedeker and his like his non s like I mean that guy does not have a strategic bone in his body and tried to give the internationals every benefit yesterday it didn't matter, right? Like you only had a couple of internationals that were even able to get a point yesterday and it was just like kind of a steady barrage of red on the scoreboard pretty much
Venmo Joe (29:46)
all day and then you had a a couple of international guys that you know look like they were gonna be in command of their match and like the two that I the three that I point to, Si Wu Kim, we we love him. He smokes heaters. He's great when he's playing with Tom Tom Kim. In no world should he lose that match
Big Kit (30:04)
No.
Venmo Joe (30:05)
to Coyban. Like Coyan was great. He's the he's the club twirl guy now. Like I think he's gonna
Big Kit (30:08)
coin that was sick.
Venmo Joe (30:10)
you know Justin Thom Justin Thomas is is now stalking
Big Kit (30:14)
Yeah.
Venmo Joe (30:15)
Coyvon, like I he might need to get a restraining order because anytime
Big Kit (30:16)
I mean, did you see I we can talk about that though.
Venmo Joe (30:19)
they showed Coyvin, he's like Thomas is just right behind him. It's like, dude, let the guy breathe.
Big Kit (30:23)
I so I
Big Kit (30:24)
saw that a little different because like there was a lot of shit about putting Justin Thomas on his team. He did not disappoint again. We'll talk a little bit about the the different ways of play and why I bet what I bet, but less about the betting and more about US and presidents and Ryder Cup and why we maybe don't win and why we win and lose certain days. JT is a great mentor. He's really loves like working with young golf guys who are coming on tour and kind of show them the ropes.
Big Kit (30:51)
He particularly likes the golf guys that are just studs. Like it's not just like any old player. Like he sees a Jackson Coyvon and he's like, I'm
Venmo Joe (30:58)
You should.
Big Kit (30:58)
one of the he's undefeated and force of like J JT. So like he has a lot to teach you. Coyvon comes on. This is the future of team golf, and certainly probably the PGA in general at some point here. Although, you it's not like Scotty Scheffler's old. So I think he's he's got a ways to go. But I just think JT got.
Big Kit (31:19)
chance to kind of mentor him. I I really felt like watching them walking around. I saw him on Saturday. I saw him riding carton Saturday. I saw him chatting. I saw him having lunch. I I think Coyvan really liked it. I think he looked at it like, I feel nervous and all of a sudden he like by the I
Venmo Joe (31:32)
he no, he did. It just
Big Kit (31:34)
think you saw the maturation from him looking nervous and couldn't get his shit together. And JT's kind of got his arm on him like, hey man, I gotta laugh, have some fun, to by himself on Sunday twirling his club at a top 20 golfer in the world like fuck you, I won.
Venmo Joe (31:50)
That wasn't no, it was awesome. It was I was more
Big Kit (31:51)
Barry in putts.
Venmo Joe (31:52)
kidding on Sunday and lick like JT like on eighteen, just like right behind
Big Kit (31:56)
Yeah, he's little creepy.
Venmo Joe (31:57)
Coyvin. It's like, dude, just g just give him a little bit of
Big Kit (32:00)
Mm-hmm.
Venmo Joe (32:00)
a break. But no, I I think that was that was a smart pair up by Snedker. But like I'm sure that that was J T just being like, put me with Coyvin and you know, like you said, in four ball, J T is is fucking unstoppable, right? I think seven and one maybe in his last
Venmo Joe (32:19)
at eight four ball, so that was a that was a great pairing.
Big Kit (32:20)
I thought he was undefeated in four ball. I don't think he's ever lost, did he?
Venmo Joe (32:23)
ball I don't think he's ever Well I think they got I think they halved it on Saturday is
Big Kit (32:27)
did he okay. Yeah, did you get the one, yeah.
Venmo Joe (32:28)
what I'm remembering on four ball. But he was seven and going into that. Yeah, him and Coivan tied Minwoo and Sanjay on Saturday four ball. But yes, going back to Siwoo, like that was I think he looked like
Venmo Joe (32:44)
I mean he kinda looked in command on the front nine and it it didn't look like Coyovan was really gonna threaten him at all and then match just like completely got away from him and you know, listen, this is a team event, like it's it's different than than what you see week in and week out on the tour, but I don't know. It just seems with Siwoo, any time that the brights that the lights get bright on Sunday, he just kinda I don't know, he
Venmo Joe (33:09)
He falters a little bit. We saw it at the PGA championship when like he took the lead on the front nine and then just like could not get anything going. Like I was I was really surprised based on how he played all tournament that that he let Koivan come and and steal that match from him. And not to say that Koivan didn't go and like earn that. He did, but like Siwoo Siwoo
Big Kit (33:28)
He got complacent.
Venmo Joe (33:29)
gave him some openings that I was surprised about. And the other shocking one was Hadeki, right? Where it's like again, kind of the same
Venmo Joe (33:38)
thing w like Colin finally decided decided to start making some pots. Like that was a great match all day yesterday, but again kind of felt like Matsuyama was never going to lose that match. And then all of a sudden it's like, you know, they're on eighteen and it's like, fuck, he's gonna lose this match. Like how the hell did that happen? and then Minwoo choking away his match was was bad. So that I mean when you look at it, right, the internationals had thirteen points and those were the three matches that
Venmo Joe (34:06)
in my mind decided the the president's cup. And then you had Cantley yeah with a huge putt on sixteen against Adam Scott when it looked like that match was gonna flip, right? Adam Scott was down one. He was in tight for I think he was like fifteen feet for Birdie on sixteen. And you were at sixteen. That that hole looks
Big Kit (34:23)
Yep. It is.
Venmo Joe (34:25)
terrifying, right? So like Scott had a unbelievable shot in there. Cantley off the green sixty feet and you know the the lip liquor
Venmo Joe (34:35)
Fucking made it. And like that match flipped right there and then. So you gotta give it to Patty Ice there. That was a monster putting Adam Scout just didn't look like he had it.
Big Kit (34:44)
I don't know, man. You're gonna if you're gonna talk about Siwoo though, if you're gonna talk about Si Wu, that's
Big Kit (34:48)
Patrick Cantley's problem until until that 16th hole. He was pissing it away. He was literally just looking like he couldn't make shit happen, like he usually does.
Venmo Joe (34:56)
Yeah, I mean like listen,
Venmo Joe (34:57)
Cantley Cantley was looking Cantley was looking to get beat. Like, dude, Adam Scott was objectively bad at the President's
Big Kit (35:02)
Yeah, I don't know what happened he was awful.
Venmo Joe (35:05)
Cup. Like like I he was bad. Like I think he won Friday, I think they won in Forsom's. I think he won with Ryan Fox. But other than that, like he just I don't know, like
Venmo Joe (35:18)
Everyone wanted to w the internationals all you heard on the broadcast yesterday was that they they want to win for Adam Scott. Like he's lost fucking twelve presidents
Big Kit (35:25)
It's not Lou Gehrig.
Venmo Joe (35:26)
cups. And and yeah, but like it's like he that was their best chance, right? They're up three going into going into singles. And he
Big Kit (35:33)
Yes. Objectively, this is as close as it's been and will be probably.
Venmo Joe (35:37)
and he and he and he gets he gets Patrick Cantley and like he just wasn't really a threat all day.
Big Kit (35:44)
Kelly tried
Big Kit (35:45)
to make him a threat. I mean, he tried to will him into it, and it just couldn't. Well, then he rolls a 60-footer in and it was done. Like it was just, you know, I I think so like this goes into
Venmo Joe (35:48)
I know, but like but Scott couldn't do it. Like Scott was like thank you, but like I can't I can't do it. Yeah.
Big Kit (35:56)
some of the handicapping of this President's Cup in general. And one thing I'll say is like a lot of the shit cover, you know, about the lack of attendance and interest and things. And how do we make President's Cup matter? It's like there's just a certain part part that like it doesn't really matter. A lot of the,
Big Kit (36:10)
The crowd that would come from the international side. I did not see a ton of international shirts there. There was a handful, obviously. Chicago is a hub city, so it's not like we lack, you know, people from all over the world. It just was not
Venmo Joe (36:21)
Yeah.
Big Kit (36:22)
a lot of international there, frankly. I mean, there was, like I said, there's certainly plenty, but not a not as much as you would think. The Thursday as opposed to Ryder, the Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday spells it out into the week with a little bit different kind of team. It's not quite rider cup as far as the law, the lore of it.
Big Kit (36:41)
People are working, they're like there's only holes being played at certain times of the course. It's not like you have all 18 spread out and there's someone in every single hole and you can bounce back and forth. Like you gotta pay a decent amount for tickets to just kind of see a handful of holes and then not, and then you know, it's a little bit different setup. So I I actually didn't think it was a huge surprise that it wasn't super well attended. although Saturday and Sunday certainly seemed like it was well attended. I feel like from a gamesman
Venmo Joe (37:09)
Yeah.
Big Kit (37:09)
perspective.
Big Kit (37:11)
I went into this this way betting. I have gone into this for Ryder Cup the same. There are a handful of types of players. Scotty Scheffler is one on Sunday and ultimately, you know, had a ton of points. But he and Tiger would struggle at this because they're they're kind of a one-on-one. Guys who play golf this way, where like they put the ball in places other people don't, they don't understand why you put your ball where you do. They don't play match play regularly. They don't, they're not thinking about you.
Big Kit (37:40)
They think about where their ball is going to be next, and they're a lot of how they put pressure on the people they're playing against is in aggregate. So like they can have a hole or two and just
Venmo Joe (37:48)
Yeah.
Big Kit (37:49)
never have a blow up, and everyone else will. And by the end of the day, like they that's how they stack and win. Historically, I don't think that that transfers very well to like president's cup, rider cup, team style versus guys like like Justin Thomas, who's sort of like you could almost map out on the course log where he's gonna go based on what his skills are, and he doesn't really migrate.
Big Kit (38:09)
You drop a Scotty Scheffler into your shot and he's going, Why the fuck are you hitting it from here? Like it isn't like it just doesn't it doesn't translate. So
Venmo Joe (38:16)
Yeah.
Big Kit (38:17)
like when I went into the betting and and just in general, what I expected, it was like probably will win on Thursday and almost guaranteed we'll win on Sunday singles. And the only thing that would like abbreviate from that would be match play throws a little different pressure on players, and I think it's it's much.
Big Kit (38:39)
Harder for certain players, and you were talking about Matsuyama and some of these guys like Nsiwoo. It's just a very different way of applying pressure if your opponent knows what they're doing, which is why guys like JT coaching up people matter. Then being on the green, you saw this a bunch of times. Being on the green and giving you certain putts. Kudos to Scotty, by the way, on giving up the par on that dumb fan. But like a lot of these guys will
Venmo Joe (39:02)
That was awesome. Yeah. Yep.
Big Kit (39:05)
decide they were gonna putt when they putt to make the
Big Kit (39:08)
make that shot so that you know I have to make this to lose and it changes your mindset. There's all this gamesmanship and I think a lot of the better players don't really think about that kind of shit. They just play their game and I think it it l it doesn't lend itself as well. And so you were talking about how does a guy like Coyven come back from that. His most recent golf until you know three months ago was team golf. So he's literally been playing in these matches back and forth where he knows
Big Kit (39:36)
Know kind of like when I had to take down old Jeremy at at Aaron Hills. If if if there's certain hole comes up where you can apply pressure, that pressure's worth a lot more on that hole than it would ever be anywhere else. Like you could care less about me making a birdie here and there. It's when and how, and like the difference between a couple of shots,
Venmo Joe (39:54)
Sure.
Big Kit (39:54)
you know, gained over a round versus losing two holes on one shot each. Such a difference. You can't come back from that. And I and I feel like the the international team.
Big Kit (40:05)
benefited from it on Friday and Saturday against America when there's you know better shot and this and alternate and all these other things and they really lost because of it on Sunday in particular, but Thursday and Sunday, because it became a a match of skill and and mental versus just good players. And international certainly full of good players, but it's it just I it felt like inevitable. You said that the betters market were that way. It felt that way. So I don't know that's
Venmo Joe (40:33)
Yeah.
Big Kit (40:33)
that was my two cents.
Venmo Joe (40:35)
For sure. Yeah, no, I think that's a I think that that's right on. I think what needs to happen in the next year is the I I saw something I don't have the exact stat like the US and the like if you I think it's the last two Ryder Cups and last two presidents cups, there is a foresome problem,
Big Kit (40:54)
Yep. Yep.
Venmo Joe (40:56)
right? So you need to figure out like that is the goal. going into the Ryder Cup next year.
Venmo Joe (41:03)
How do you figure out the foursome issue? Because like individually, to your point, when you're playing your own ball and four ball and when you're in singles, we seem to have that, we we seem to have that pretty locked down, right? Especially singles, because you know, dominated singles this year, dominated singles at at Beth Page last year, umesomes is a real problem. So I don't know if it's figuring like actually
Venmo Joe (41:29)
Yeah, we talked about fucking AI and making everything easier. Like how we have all this data. You need to figure out who the best combination of ham and egg guys are on the on the foursoms, because if not, like we're gonna be in trouble again in the Ryder Cup, right? And I think the the benefit that you saw with the President's Cup and and why I'm really glad that you got young blood in there is that one, Coyvon should be a mainstay for the next fucking
Venmo Joe (41:57)
ten rider cups and president scops, right? Like he's just he's gonna be locked and loaded. and Goddard, like Goddard up is a fucking dude. And like that's
Big Kit (42:04)
gonna love him. God did not disappoint in any capacity.
Venmo Joe (42:09)
a guy and that's a that's a guy. Yeah, shout out to him getting me top top US point scorer with with Scotty and and Young
Big Kit (42:16)
In his Twitter video? Did you see this shit?
Venmo Joe (42:19)
but he was yeah, yeah. He's like you, he's drinking he's drinking three milk and old ultras like you roll.
Big Kit (42:24)
Which real quick, real
Venmo Joe (42:26)
Big kitty. Just three three three at a time, dude.
Big Kit (42:26)
quick, real quick, shout out to the triple beer
Big Kit (42:29)
man. I wanna say this real quick, because it's so funny that you said this. So I actually had a a mini viral moment because there was a golf creator on Saturday that was hanging out. I don't I don't even know who it was, and I I do now as I saw it on Twitter. probably should have credited it, but he didn't. That's okay. I was shelled, as you can imagine. And USA, like to some guy was saying, like, USA's not gonna win, and some of the guys like, you know, fuck, they're gonna win, whatever, Sunday, wait till singles.
Big Kit (42:54)
And I turn around to the guy and I'm like definitely two or three deep and ultras my hand. And I go, you can't spell USA without ultras, baby. And next thing I know, it's on fucking like literally Sunday morning. I saw USA and ultras. Like, you cannot be, you can't spell USA without ultras. And it was like a bunch of panning videos of Chris Godderup with the ultras it. And I was like, you fucking maybe I made it, maybe I'm never heard that. Maybe I did not be the first to say that, but I've never heard that.
Venmo Joe (43:18)
You're like, that's my line. That's my line. I ha I
Venmo Joe (43:22)
I I haven't heard that. I've never heard that, but you know. And and you would ever say that doesn't make but in that context, yeah, for sure. But yeah, God her up Goder up is yeah, he is he is a fucking dude.
Big Kit (43:24)
Nor do I know why you would ever say that. Makes no sense. But it does in that context only. So anyway, shout out to Kinotaros. he's that dude.
Venmo Joe (43:37)
I just love that guy, man. Like he is even my wife were watching it yesterday, even my wife is like, Man, that guy's got a weird swing. I was like Yeah, he does.
Big Kit (43:42)
Yeah. He just looks like a great hang.
Venmo Joe (43:46)
'Cause he's a
Venmo Joe (43:48)
Well, he's a great hang and like he's got
Big Kit (43:49)
Is aimed.
Venmo Joe (43:50)
you know he's always aiming so far left, like it's just it's just so wild. but he knows what he's doing. He putted unbelievable on Saturday and Sunday, like was just draining everything. I mean he made that match the match yesterday should not have gone to eighteen, but credit to Basenhout who who played really
Big Kit (44:09)
Yeah. He he he tried.
Venmo Joe (44:12)
well to to bring that match to eighteen, but got her up dude, got her up was a beast.
Venmo Joe (44:17)
Going into Saturday, Goddard up had zero points. He lost his match on Thursday, sat out fucking Friday, and came in Saturday, him and Cam Young ran away with it. And like again, Sneddecker
Big Kit (44:29)
Cam was a stud this weekend too.
Venmo Joe (44:31)
didn't have many great Yeah. Snedeker didn't have many great moments, but like running back Goddarup and Young on that Saturday afternoon, like was a big move, right? 'Cause that just that was a guaranteed point, 'cause they were not gonna lose
Big Kit (44:43)
Those two dudes were having a great time together too. We watched
Big Kit (44:45)
a couple of times. They're doing the high fives, they're walking
Venmo Joe (44:47)
Yeah.
Big Kit (44:47)
by. Godarp's doing this shit as he's coming up. Like it was it was a good
Venmo Joe (44:51)
Yeah.
Big Kit (44:52)
time had by all. I I do think to your point though, I I am concerned about the Ryder Cup. J but I that's always gonna be hard. They just a different style and different everything. But I do think to your point, the Foresom's thing if they could figure it out.
Venmo Joe (45:04)
Well the the
Venmo Joe (45:05)
the struggle with they gotta figure that out and I think the struggle is to your point with the internationals if you when you go to four ball or singles, we just have better golfers
Big Kit (45:17)
Yeah. Yeah.
Venmo Joe (45:18)
than they do. Right? So like their highest ranked guy was Si Wu Kim, like only guy in the top twenty, you know, we're we're littered with with top twenty golfers on our team. So what ends up happening is you get
Venmo Joe (45:33)
Echevaria going against Sheffler. You know, so you got number one versus number one hundred, and then you got the Bayes and Hoden going against Godterup and it's number
Big Kit (45:41)
The hottest stick on the planet.
Venmo Joe (45:43)
seven versus number a hundred and five, right? Like it's just like there's there's that's when that gap is really seen. And then, you know, so that's the advantage the USA always has, at least in the last ten, fifteen presidents' cups, where the Ryder Cup, it's not that. You've got kind of an equal spread of top twenty guys versus top twenty guys.
Venmo Joe (46:03)
So that advantage that you've got in singles and and four ball is definitely not as big against Europe and then Team Europe has a big advantage in foresome. So, you know, whoever that captain's gonna be, they need to figure it out. That's Furic, right? Furick's gotta figure it out.
Big Kit (46:16)
Yeah, it's Furic the you know, the the Fitzpatrick Brothers combos
Big Kit (46:20)
gonna be fun and tough to watch. I'm sure that'll be something.
Venmo Joe (46:24)
Well it's just and it's a dude like Hovlins always a fucking monster in that. Like Justin Rose doesn't miss a putt, you put Shane and Rory together, like it's just it's it's gonna be tough.
Big Kit (46:33)
They're good. It's I I hope that,
Big Kit (46:35)
you know, for the US to contend in that and honestly, if they want to keep winning internationals, this reminds me of like the Dream Team 2 and like USA Olympics. They have to start thinking about it as a team and less of like who's our best 10 superstars and putting them all on the same team. It's like Scotty Sheffin probably shouldn't play on Thursday's four ball. Like I know he's the best player in the world, but that doesn't mean he's best at this. Like maybe it's having a bridgem paired with the best chip or paired with the longest driver. Maybe it's it's you what however you want to do it.
Big Kit (47:03)
you just gotta make it work skill-wise and and compete. And that's why you see guys that while they are better ranked than the international team when you think of Ryder Cup, they're still, you know, not like the top five or ten guys in the world. Like there's it usually you're watching, you're still going, This is an upset. Like, even though technically Europe's supposed to win here, it is an upset actually if you look at the ranks, despite the Rory's. So
Venmo Joe (47:29)
For sure. Well and the other the other c the the other call out before we move on, the the one guy from the internationals that you've gotta give kudos to dude, Tom Cannon played like a top ten player in the world. Like
Big Kit (47:38)
our boy Tom. We l he w rode Tom all season.
Venmo Joe (47:41)
that guy dude, he is a fucking dog. 'cause when do like if you look at data golf and like who was who was best from like a total shots gained perspective,
Venmo Joe (47:55)
Wyndham Clark was right up there, even though he only won a point. Like he just Murakawa let him down in the in the team matches, and then I mean Tom Kim was just a fucking buzzsaw yesterday. Like just played unbelievable golf, especially on that back nine. So shout out to him. I read that he had to
Big Kit (48:12)
yeah.
Venmo Joe (48:13)
leave right for Medina to fly to Japan to play in the Asian games, so that he needs to win.
Venmo Joe (48:21)
I don't know if he needs to just place or win. I don't even know what the Asian games are.
Big Kit (48:22)
I think he has to perfor I think he had to do top twenty
Big Kit (48:24)
five or top twenty to have some kind of status to avoid the military service.
Venmo Joe (48:28)
He's
Venmo Joe (48:29)
gotta get some waiver, yes. Yeah, 'cause he's going to the mil like, if he doesn't get this waiver, but like I remember hearing this about the Olympics and it like, if he doesn't win, he's gotta go to the military. Now it's a year later and it's like, well he's gotta win this. So I don't know how much pressure is on him, but I thought that was pretty crazy that he had to roll right from carrying the the internationals in the President's Cup right to going to the Asian games and try to like
Venmo Joe (48:55)
get a two year get a waiver or else he's gonna go to the military for two years. Like and the guy's at the peak of his powers
Big Kit (49:01)
I mean
Venmo Joe (49:01)
right now. Like he is like that's a that's a guy as we go into next season, like as we're working on the the manifesto, like I really like what I'm seeing out of Tom Kent.
Big Kit (49:10)
I mean if if I'm if
Big Kit (49:11)
I'm Japan and I'm thinking about my golf world, I'm I'm treating this a lot like Sasha Baron Cohen's the dictator when he's in the Olympics and he's just fucking shooting all the players down as he's going to victory to make sure that he doesn't have to serve and just keep playing. Boom dropping like fucking dominoes. Always rooting for Tom Kim. all right, let's end on
Venmo Joe (49:24)
my god. That's fantastic.
Big Kit (49:33)
this. We got an actual tournament that's gonna be played this week, I I think. I I don't know if
Big Kit (49:39)
Real golf is played in Utah.
Venmo Joe (49:41)
We're heading to y we're we're heading to we're heading to Utah, man. The Bank of Utah
Big Kit (49:43)
Man. All right. Well, Bank of Utah Championship.
Venmo Joe (49:47)
Bank of Utah championship, man. I don't know if I've seen Coyman's supposed to play,
Big Kit (49:52)
I heard so.
Venmo Joe (49:53)
but I have not been on so I don't know if he's hammered he got last night, if he's gonna keep if he's withdrawing and treating us
Big Kit (49:59)
think he's a drinker. See I like a heavy I don't he doesn't strike me as like a big party
Venmo Joe (50:04)
doesn't strike me as that, but you know, first international team win, who knows what happened last
Big Kit (50:07)
Yeah. Hanging out with God or up.
Venmo Joe (50:09)
night.
Venmo Joe (50:10)
But yeah, Coyvon is it it's a pretty good field to be honest, right? You got Coyvan, Ben James who's rookie that's been really good. We got Mag
Big Kit (50:18)
yeah. I'm all on Ben James now.
Venmo Joe (50:21)
we got Matt McNeely, me too. you got Michael Brennan's the defending champ
Big Kit (50:25)
Yep, like Michael Mr.
Venmo Joe (50:27)
who won yeah, won one of the last tournaments of the twenty six season. You got Ben Coles, my boy, who I I think I might place to
Venmo Joe (50:38)
be a first round leader because i I'm not gonna place him to do anything on a Sunday. But yeah, it's it's f l we talked about this all year. I love the fall events because you you don't have the top fifteen to twenty guys. So I usually I like I like finding a guy that's like fifty to a hundred to one because like that's when this happens is in the fall, right? Like if you've got Scheffler and and Rory and Burns and all the usual suspects, like
Venmo Joe (51:07)
You're just not gonna get that hundred hundred and twenty five to one to cash. So I I'm looking forward to it. I think Ben James is the one that's kinda jumping out to me. Ben James and like I said, Ben Cole's for first round leader and keep an eye on what Coivan's doing. But I think his odds are gonna be very short.
Big Kit (51:26)
Yeah, he's
Big Kit (51:27)
not good for betting. I I think that but the Michael Brennan, I think, is also still very, very in line to repeat here. He's playing well. he's he's I think he likes this course from everything I'm reading online right now. I did truth be told, didn't even know Utah was a state until about 20 minutes ago. so just figure that out. anyway, no, I I think Ben James I'm hot on. I'm scooping up Ben James rookie cards on eBay right now just to tell you how hot on him I am.
Big Kit (51:56)
I I like a lot of these next couple tournaments, even though probably no one else in the world but us is talking about them. Because you get to see what I think will be the next top 10 golfers in America for the next decade, kind of trying to, you know, be on that circuit together and figure out who each other are. and
Venmo Joe (52:11)
You know, be on that circuit together.
Big Kit (52:13)
I I think this is a tournament, it's a perfect tournament to see Like if Kliven can come off of what he just did, hold on to the high highs. I personally wouldn't bet him, but I
Venmo Joe (52:19)
Hold up.
Big Kit (52:21)
I understand if you if you put him top 20, I would bet that.
Big Kit (52:24)
If he comes in and just starts kicking ass, it's like, fuck, this guy's like he's that's he's in. Like it's he's on it's over. He's gonna be starting to he'll be a top tier guy all season next year, or this year, I guess he'd put it, but
Venmo Joe (52:26)
He comes in and just starts kicking ass, it's like, fuck, this guy's like he's dead. Like it's he's on it's over. He's gonna be starting to he'll be a top tier guy all season next year or this year
Venmo Joe (52:36)
I guess you put it. Yeah, it is crazy. I'm looking now and I don't know on the prediction markets, but like just on track I mean he's fucking ten to one to win,
Big Kit (52:45)
That's crazy.
Venmo Joe (52:46)
which ugh. That's cra don't love that by by our boy Jackson. I mean it's just the books love that guy, I guess. That is c crazy.
Venmo Joe (52:56)
but I get it, right? Like he's he's kind of the face of of the young generation right now. He won the three and he was the the star of the President's Cup yesterday. So money's gonna go there. I just think that that's a terrible bet. Terrible.
Big Kit (53:09)
I mean, I I think any of these any of these bets now
Big Kit (53:12)
with some of these guys, like every single player not named Scheffler, and honestly, it's like not even Rory and and Shawley and others, like anything under ten I I'm thinking prediction markets here, so you can put it into odds, but like anyone under ten cents, anyone over ten
Venmo Joe (53:28)
Yeah.
Big Kit (53:28)
cents is insane to me. Like to start off a tournament that has
Venmo Joe (53:32)
Yeah.
Big Kit (53:33)
a hundred of the best golfers in the world and anything could happen, you've seen it Scotty won two tournaments the entire year long.
Big Kit (53:38)
And they were bookends, and yet he was favored to win by 20% every single time. That just makes no sense. Which has leads me to kind of the end of this. I feel like a lesson learned on this season when I look back on gambling and and I did well at the at the President's Cup for the same reason is like golf is not a contained sport like basketball or baseball or football, where it all comes into like a three-hour window, and you guys all talk about what's gonna happen before and after the game, and we bet it up, and it's live bet.
Big Kit (54:08)
Or sorry, it's it's a setup and live betting is more of like situational. It's like first quarter, second quarter. It's not literally odds changing hands in in every direction. Golf is this way, it's a four-day run-up. And I think when you're making bets based on whatever happened last week at a different place in a different space, and you're trying to apply that to this week, it's very hard to find anything
Venmo Joe (54:30)
Yeah.
Big Kit (54:30)
other than like the longest odds guys, as like your best chance to win. You seem to do exceptionally well.
Big Kit (54:36)
At picking those guys, but then they end up don't winning, but they get top five or whatever. And what I have been really focusing on, and we're gonna put this all together at some point in our little betting manifesto between the TGL stuff that starts rolling out in a couple months. but I I think that the the way to do this is to pick your horses in your top five, your top 10, your top 20, maybe a cut before the tournament, which we always do and pick. And then if you really like Coyvin, put him in your top five.
Big Kit (55:06)
Sit on it. I mean, I actually wouldn't even do that because I think those odds are shitty too. Wait until Sunday morning, Saturday
Venmo Joe (55:10)
Yeah, those are those are shit odds, yeah.
Big Kit (55:13)
night if you have to. And if he looks like he's in shape and he's playing and he's like two, three shots behind, it's like that's our winner. then I'll then hammer on it and don't be afraid to to put a thousand dollars on something that doesn't pay out, you know, that that well if you feel that confident and and there's a little evidence there. I I think these markets right now really penalize you for being on a player who is good.
Big Kit (55:35)
and should win, could win, but not like
Venmo Joe (55:38)
Yeah.
Big Kit (55:38)
you're not rewarded to bet on it. I don't I don't it'll put it this way, if I was gonna pay the premium to bet on this,
Venmo Joe (55:43)
Yeah.
Big Kit (55:43)
I'd rather see three days of evidence and pay a little bit more.
Venmo Joe (55:47)
Mm. A thousand
Venmo Joe (55:48)
percent. Well, and I in and that triggered a thought, and I agree with you. There live live betting is where you where you can mine value and we've we've kind of given that guidance all year. But especially in these tournaments, 'cause like go back to the one two weeks ago, you've got Neil Shipley and Ben Coles like seemingly running away from the field.
Venmo Joe (56:13)
What happens that Sunday? Fucking Jacob Bridgeman comes out of nowhere and wins the tournament. So it's like going when you have these tournaments where these guys are all fighting for their lives to get their tour card for next year, wild
Big Kit (56:26)
Yes.
Venmo Joe (56:27)
shit happens on Sunday where like you can find a guy that you liked going into the tournament that's three or three to five shots back going into Sunday. And like a normal tournament, I wouldn't advise you to take a guy three to five shots back because normally you've got like
Venmo Joe (56:43)
a guy that's a top twenty player in the world
Big Kit (56:43)
not gonna c he's not gonna screw it up.
Venmo Joe (56:45)
most likely leading that tournament. But in these tournaments, when you've got like top, you know, guys that are anywhere from like, I don't know, fifty to a hundred in the world, like weird shit's gonna happen. So there's value that you can find there. I would I would guarantee Bridgeman going into that tournament two weeks ago was probably thirty or forty to one to win that tournament and one by three shots. So find some value that way.
Big Kit (57:10)
I totally agree with you, Joe.
Big Kit (57:11)
It's it's great to hear you back on the show here talking about s betting and st all this shit. Like I I wanna go gamble already. We're back, baby.
Venmo Joe (57:16)
You too, buddy. We're back.
Big Kit (57:19)
we will continue onward with this and and check in next week after the tournament, handicaps more and just keep it rolling. but for those of you who are interested in learning more, you can follow us on Instagram at No Strucks Podcast. And Joe, we will catch up with you real soon.
Venmo Joe (57:35)
See you next week,
Big Kit (57:35)
See anybody.
Venmo Joe (57:36)
big kid. See ya buddy. See ya.